From latif at ladid.lu Thu May 6 04:45:20 2010 From: latif at ladid.lu (Latif LADID ("The New Internet based on IPv6")) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 10:45:20 +0200 Subject: [Open-admin-enabled] [Members] Spicing up the transition In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000c01caecf8$79e1b4c0$6da51e40$@lu> Many thanks for the suggestions. I have coped the IPv6 Enabled Program Group to look into this. Cheers Latif From: members-bounces at ipv6forum.com [mailto:members-bounces at ipv6forum.com] On Behalf Of Ahmed Abu-Abed Sent: 06 May 2010 10:36 To: members at ipv6forum.com Subject: [Members] Spicing up the transition Hello everyone, Please excuse the long post but I think this topic deserves more discussion and action. With lack, in most parts of the world, of regulation to move to IPv6, my suggestion is to set some milestones that can measure how far content providers and ISPs have come towards IPv6 and classify them publicly as such. They start at Class 0 (if they did nothing so far, more below) and can ultimately be, say, Class 5. Climbing up the class should be a natural tendency, and a way to show-off IPv6 readiness. Being notified that one is Class 0 (after a grace period) may not be good news for the ISP, but neither is the current situation with delays in IPv6 adoption. Notifying and/or listing of the ISPs of their Class level can possibly be done by the RIR to help convince its customer base on moving to v6. This can also solve another issue: IPv6 has been clearly defined, but the ISP path to it (transition) has been left to interpretation and numerous RFCs. Dual-stacking, translation (deprecated but still in action) and tunneling (with at least 5 flavours) are all being used. As we will be in a transition phase for many years, my impression is that ISPs and content providers need a set of guidelines and milestones to follow to guide them on the most appropriate standards-based transition path to follow. Each Class can define a transition milestone. Suggested classifications can be Class 0 for service providers which don't have an IPv6 address block. Then to get to Class 1 one needs to reserve an IPv6 block and submit an action plan for achieving a higher class, Class 2 means you have IPv6 Forum ISP certification, etc. A good set of criteria for a Class 5 level is at posted http://www.mrp.net/IPv6_Survey.html Classifying content, and enticing the transition to it, is a more difficult task; if anyone has ideas then its good to know about them. More ideas on this are attached, including a comparison with the current IPv6 Forum WWW and ISP Enabled programs. Best wishes, Ahmed Abu-Abed VP, IPv6 Forum Jordan Chapter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ipv6forum.com/pipermail/open-admin-enabled/attachments/20100506/2575081e/attachment.html From Olaf.Bonness at telekom.de Thu May 6 04:51:00 2010 From: Olaf.Bonness at telekom.de (Olaf.Bonness at telekom.de) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 10:51:00 +0200 Subject: [Open-admin-enabled] [Members] Spicing up the transition In-Reply-To: <000c01caecf8$79e1b4c0$6da51e40$@lu> References: <000c01caecf8$79e1b4c0$6da51e40$@lu> Message-ID: RIPE seems to have had already a similar idea (5-star IPv6 LIR). Please see attched email. Regards Olaf _____ Von: members-bounces at ipv6forum.com [mailto:members-bounces at ipv6forum.com] Im Auftrag von Latif LADID ("The New Internet based on IPv6") Gesendet: Donnerstag, 6. Mai 2010 10:45 An: 'Ahmed Abu-Abed'; members at ipv6forum.com Cc: open-admin-enabled at ipv6forum.com Betreff: Re: [Members] Spicing up the transition Many thanks for the suggestions. I have coped the IPv6 Enabled Program Group to look into this. Cheers Latif From: members-bounces at ipv6forum.com [mailto:members-bounces at ipv6forum.com] On Behalf Of Ahmed Abu-Abed Sent: 06 May 2010 10:36 To: members at ipv6forum.com Subject: [Members] Spicing up the transition Hello everyone, Please excuse the long post but I think this topic deserves more discussion and action. With lack, in most parts of the world, of regulation to move to IPv6, my suggestion is to set some milestones that can measure how far content providers and ISPs have come towards IPv6 and classify them publicly as such. They start at Class 0 (if they did nothing so far, more below) and can ultimately be, say, Class 5. Climbing up the class should be a natural tendency, and a way to show-off IPv6 readiness. Being notified that one is Class 0 (after a grace period) may not be good news for the ISP, but neither is the current situation with delays in IPv6 adoption. Notifying and/or listing of the ISPs of their Class level can possibly be done by the RIR to help convince its customer base on moving to v6. This can also solve another issue: IPv6 has been clearly defined, but the ISP path to it (transition) has been left to interpretation and numerous RFCs. Dual-stacking, translation (deprecated but still in action) and tunneling (with at least 5 flavours) are all being used. As we will be in a transition phase for many years, my impression is that ISPs and content providers need a set of guidelines and milestones to follow to guide them on the most appropriate standards-based transition path to follow. Each Class can define a transition milestone. Suggested classifications can be Class 0 for service providers which don't have an IPv6 address block. Then to get to Class 1 one needs to reserve an IPv6 block and submit an action plan for achieving a higher class, Class 2 means you have IPv6 Forum ISP certification, etc. A good set of criteria for a Class 5 level is at posted http://www.mrp.net/IPv6_Survey.html Classifying content, and enticing the transition to it, is a more difficult task; if anyone has ideas then its good to know about them. More ideas on this are attached, including a comparison with the current IPv6 Forum WWW and ISP Enabled programs. Best wishes, Ahmed Abu-Abed VP, IPv6 Forum Jordan Chapter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ipv6forum.com/pipermail/open-admin-enabled/attachments/20100506/13ea8d69/attachment-0001.html -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... 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